It shoots MOA if I do my part. All Rights Reserved. Joel Kendrick is a two-time IBS 600-yard Benchrest Shooter of the Year. Other methods of ferric nitrocarburizing include gaseous process such as Nitrotec and ion (plasma) ones. Melonite™ and Melonite QPQ™ are thermochemical processes intended for the case hardening of iron based metals. It is also known as Liquid/Salt Bath Ferritic Nitrocarburizing (FNC) process. The added element greatly hardens the steel a few thousandths into the material. I have been pretty much looking for a chromed lined barrel but just stumbled across an Adams Arms barrel that is QPQ Melonite inside and out for a pretty good price. There are several different forms of melonite out there, example... "When trading bullets it is better to give than to receive", "If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly. Nitride VS Cerakote. In fact, nor is it the safer way. Tennifer, melonite, armornite, etc. ", [Last Edit: 2/8/2016 12:35:04 PM EST by ahrion], [ARFCOM NEWS] What Really Happened With Braces + S&W Sues NJ AG + NYPD Proud To Seize Props. After a while you just try and get a tourniquet on it.” Cormac McCarthy. Copyright © 1996-2021 AR15.COM LLC. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Thanks. Armoloy chromes barrels, but they can't do it on that small a diam. Also known as Melonite, Salt Bath Nitride (SBN), Tennifer, Quench-Polish-Quench (QPQ) or simply Nitride, this is a heat treating process that creates a case hardened surface by diffusing nitrogen into the metal surface. Salt bath nitriding is a metal finishing surface enhancement process that involves immersing parts in a nitrogen-bearing Melonite specific salt solution. [SUP] [14] … Has it caused any stress to either any change in accuracy? The resulting surface is very smooth and extremely hard which makes it … This is a discussion on Melonite, salt Nitride M14 within the Modern M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; PICTURES PLEASE, WHY WON"T ANYONE POST PICTURES of their rifle with the MELONITE I am not a competition shooter, i will just be using it at the range and up north in the woods to shoot and hunt with. Well, I did not miss that point in my post above. If you care about accuracy and longer barrel live, the Melonite barrel has clear advantages. Melonite, salt Nitride M14. I would like to add my 2 cents regarding chrome plating. Salt bath nitriding involves the Melonite QPQ process and provides a very uniform consistent nitride layer on your components. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Above: Toolcraft BCG with Black Nitride finish. I  completely agree with your more lengthy explanation. Here's how it's done: Does the company you use do .223 diam barrels? During these processes, nitrogen, carbon, and small amounts of oxygen are diffused into the surface of the steel, creating an epsilon iron nitride layer (e - FexN). Salt Bath Nitriding doesn't degrade accuracy one iota, unlike chrome lining. Well, so they say. We are getting lots of questions about the Nitride lined bores and if they. These processes are most commonly used on high-carbon, low-alloy steels. That was my main point. So, instead of 2 manufacturing steps you have combined them into one. Joined: Aug 24, 2008 Messages: 1,231. We're going to find out at what point this rifle will fail and take a look at what the barrel will look like when we get done with it. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. I have heard a lot of conflicting info regarding Salt Bath Nitride or Melonite. I have a CMMG "WASP" 16 inch M4 barrel in my Spikes Tactical M4 upper. Also known as Melonite, Salt Bath Nitride or simply Nitride, this is a heat treating process that creates a case hardened surface by diffusing nitrogen into the metal surface. Mission Statement. Would you nitride/melonite a rifle or cerakote one? I think that unless you are shooting a lot of ammo you could probably get a stainless barrel and be as good as either, and maybe more accurate, but that's more on the barrel quality than any material advantage. It is most commonly used on steels, sintered irons, and cast irons to lower friction and improve wear and corrosion resistance. Melonite™ and Melonite QPQ™ are thermochemical processes intended for the case hardening of iron based metals. Is the Melonite a good way to go if i want something that will be easy maintenance and long lasting? I want to go with a 16" barrel with a gov't or M4 profile. Just because chrome lined is "mil-spec" does not make it better. This is largely a result of how many manufacturers go about finishing their bore and chamber, as well as how the salt bath nitride process is executed. Melonite is not a coating, will not wear away, and provides a higher level of protection than hard chrome, nickel, and similar metal plating methods. Faxon always uses the liquid salt bath Quench, Polish, Quench (QPQ) method. Mil-spec does not equal best. It is an amazing thing to have for standardization, but holding to specific design requirements because they are "mil-spec" is silly. Salt Bath Nitriding goes on both inside of the bore and on the outside surface. Some of the companies do a better job on others cleaning them after the treatment. The chrome inside is unaffected in this case. I think it is better to send your newly chambered barrel. I heard that if I do Melonite the barrel I should break in the barrel first. [Last Edit: 9/27/2013 7:39:42 AM EST by bosundave], Rifles, Uppers, Lowers, Barrels, and more, [ARFCOM NEWS] What Really Happened With Braces + S&W Sues NJ AG + NYPD Proud To Seize Props, [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Melonite vs. Chrome lined Barrels. Nitriding is a heat treating process that diffuses nitrogen into the surface of a metal to create a case-hardened surface. Melonite is harder and more corrosion resistant than chrome. When I visited with John Holliger "White Oak Armament" about Melonite he said that he had some that still had the salt bath still in the barrel. I am looking at buying my barrel for my first 5.56 build as it is one of the last things I need. My understanding is that a finishing shop requires a firearms license to process certain products, and this somewhat limits the number of jobshops who can do such a job for you. QPQ (Salt Bath Ferritic Nitrocarburizing 5898_BNA Melonite Rev 1_0 - Free download as PDF File (.pdf), Text File (.txt) or read online for free. [Last Edit: 9/25/2013 8:29:04 PM EST by bosundave], [Last Edit: 9/26/2013 9:03:12 AM EST by MS556], [Last Edit: 9/26/2013 11:56:38 AM EST by bosundave]. I think that it probably should be cheaper than chrome, chrome just has scale of production behind it. Salt Bath Nitriding/Nitrocarburizing is well known under various trade names, including ARCOR®, TENIFER®, TUFFTRIDE®, MELONITE®, and QPQ®. My only concern is that a Melonite barrel should be very very precisely cut using the sharpest possible carbide tools as to leave as little of tool marks as possible. It is a thermochemical diffusion process whereby nitrogen-bearing salts generate a controlled release of … are all trademarked types of nitride in use by Glock, Smith & Wesson, etc. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Characteristics: Highly uniform case; Good white/compound layer formation; Layer microhardness: 800-1300 HV; Layer thickness: 0.0005”-0.008” Low coefficient of friction: 0.1-0.2; Quick processing time Copyright © 1996-2021 AR15.COM LLC. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. Salt bath ferritic nitrocarburizing The simplest form of this process is encompassed by the trademarked Melonite process, also known as Meli 1 . As a treatment, Nitride does not add any materials to the bore, rather it treats the bore as it came from the factory. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by razorback2003, Aug 23, 2015. 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